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Mississauga Residents' Associations Network (MIRANET)
The rigged (for Hazel) debate to get Rogers to broadcast their
love-in for Hazel McCallion show/commercial,
to support the re-election of the Mayor,
the Devil they can work with!
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| The RULES by MIRANET & the release form by Rogers. | Formal complaint to the; Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (CBSC) & Rogers Communications Inc. | |
As of Sept 25, reasons why this is of great concern;
The organization know as the Mississauga Residents' Associations Network (MIRANET), is a questionable one.
It is known to me that some Ratepayers groups have very pro-City or Hazel executives and are more concerned with they can get for themselves, not the greater good. Active ratepayers groups usually represent more financially well off Mississaugans with homes, not the majority.
Ward 4 - Ward 5 - Ward 6 - Ward 9 - has are no Residents’ Associations, so MIRANET represents no one there.
MIRANET has never tried to deal with the Cawthra Ratepayers and Residents Association.
On their web-site it states "Public Question Period Tradition Retained at Mississauga Council" - totally wrong and just the sort of thing to be put out under the title of Mississauga Residents' Associations Network to make readers think it is the truth.
This works for the City and Hazel, not Mississaugans.
I would say there exists a conflict of interest between this lobbing group, the City and its politicians.
The timing is questionable.
Who are these candidates who contacted them?
Their announcement came out just before candidates News Conference to protest the lack of debates with Hazel.
Who are the persons at MIRANET or the "Committee" actually making these decisions?
MIRANET uses lots of flowery words to say how right and proper they are ("non-partisan, and does not endorse any candidate")
and when someone tells you over and over to trust them, best not to.
MIRANET is suppose to be a grass roots Democracy operation - where is the proof?
When there is a difference between what is said and done - only a fool believes what is said.
The rules of the so-called debate.
First MIRANET said it was set-up for the Mayor's time table, then no.
MIRANET says no input from Candidates - "we are not consulting any candidate", then says -
"Any queries received from the candidates regarding the Forum will be considered by the Committee and the answer e-mailed to all candidates.",
which is it? I have E-mailed them over and over, no reply - trying to run the clock out?
Other candidates were not asked about dates good for them.
It will not be live so true town hall meeting it is not.
No idea if public or supporters will be allowed at all or if any audience - controlled canned clapping?
No word of the candidates for Councillors will be allowed an all candidates TV debate.
Will candidates be able to make their own video recording?
Censorship and editing - MIRANET will be taped and therefore it can be censored and edited - works for the Mayor.
Questions - no questions from the public, all from their group, what issues they care for and they want to feed the Mayor.
In fact as all questions will be decided before hand she could be feed them, no word if candidates get them ahead of time.
Opening & closing statements - "We expect that each candidate will be able to make a very brief introductory statement and closing remark."
This totally favours the Mayor as all she has to do is stand up and say did a great job vote for more of the same. Other candidates have build their case for a different path and "very brief" will make us sound like fools!
Time to respond - no word on how long we will get, in fact many necessary details have been left out and we can't respond to them.
Who can respond - we are being told - "As no candidate will have the opportunity to answer all the questions posed,"
this means MIRANET controls who gets to answer questions.
Posting answers on Internet is not a reasonable substitution for a live debate.
The actual correspondence are below, with further points earmarked.
[1] - It is important to note that in Mississauga when it is known by politicians that there would be a protest or some other event that would look them bad, an announcement of some kind to make it appear like their concerns have been looked after is made a day or before it hits the fan.
This is no different - the old dog still can do its old tricks - are we still fool enough to eat this B.S. up?
[2] - Who are they? Have not heard of any and should have, is it Team Hazel pulling the strings?
[3] - Right off the bat they make it clear it is all to accommodate the Mayor Hazel McCallion.
The candidates I have asked were not asked for dates, MIRANET was told of this and no response.
Further more MIRANET goes on to say - "we are not consulting any candidate", clear the are consulting with the Mayor in some way.
To: "Mississauga Residents' Associations Network \(MIRANET\)" <MIRANET@miranet.ca> Subject: UPDATE re: proposed MIRANET/ROGERS TV Mayoral A-C Forum Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:19:26 -0400 [1] Dear Mayoral Candidates: We are hearing from various Mayoral campaigns asking whether MIRANET will be hosting any debates for the candidates, and want to keep all of you apprised at the same time. [2] MIRANET has been having discussions with Rogers TV concerning the provision of a televised All-Candidates Forum. We are not yet in a position to announce the date, as we are awaiting confirmation from Mayor McCallion that she would be able to attend one of the possible dates we have suggested. [3] We are planning to provide a moderated format that will allow for serious discussion and debate on several key themes affecting the future of our City. [4] MIRANET is non-partisan, and does not endorse any candidate. We are all citizen volunteers. We'll issue formal invitations to all the Mayoral candidates as soon as we are able. [6] Sincerely, Dorothy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mississauga Residents' Associations Network (MIRANET) Dorothy Tomiuk |
[4] - When ever you see that many words to reassure you it is what should be expected to fair and trust us - know you are being deceived.
[5] - More of the same - lots of words to sell you a pig in poke and trust us, you will not be involved but all for the better were just so good!
In fact I would say they are partisan more often then not Right Wings run Ratepayers Groups and remember MIRANET is a lobby group, it wants to have a good business working relationship with City hall so they can get what they want
- this means being on the good side of the Mayor - trading favours!
For the record - there is a conflict of interest in this case.
[6] - Tell us what happening but not ask for input!
To: "Dorothy Tomiuk \(MIRANET\)" <MIRANET@miranet.ca> Having been to many of these debates over the years and given the serious importance of this election regarding the future of Mississauga - it would not be appropriate to just call yourselves "non-partisan" and then set the rules so they favour a certain kind of candidate. [7] There should be agreement with candidates as to how this forum is set-up and run and the reasons made clear. [8] As for the Mayor being available - she needs to make the time or, as in the past, not be a part of it, sick of her honouring our Democratic traditions by using election time as vacation time. [9] Donald Barber - candidate for Mayor of Mississauga. |
[7] - Nothing worse then a person like me who has years of experiences at being screwed by pro-City hall groups who do the Mayor's campaigning knowing nothing can be done to stop them. Any consideration to Democracy down the toilet when it comes to sucking up to number 1,
to get what you want and to HELL with everyone else.
Also, I am willing to tell people what is going on - even worse and have paid a heavy price for it and still am.
[8] - Common sense for true believers in Democracy.
[9] - More common sense reason we can use to judge MIRANET.
To: "Dorothy Tomiuk \(MIRANET\)" <MIRANET@miranet.ca> Now would be a good time to put to all candidates the dates and the draft rules and location. [12] |
[10] - It occurred to me the dates were a key element and made a point bring it to their attention, on the record.
[11] - MIRANET has not disputed this statement or the following, on the record.
[12] - Of course such common sense and Democratic practices get no responses.
From: "Dorothy Tomiuk \(MIRANET\)" <MIRANET@miranet.ca> As posted on the Home Page of MIRANET: We are planning to provide a moderated format that will allow for serious discussion and debate on several key themes affecting the future of our City: transportation, neighbourhoods, development, business & employment, public spaces, social supports, environment, governance, fiscal management and Regional context. [15] A formal announcement will be issued as soon as possible. |
[13] - Can talk with Rogers but not with the persons most affected, the candidates.
[14] - Suddenly - its not working with Mayor for a date, its Rogers - interesting.
[15] - Out comes the power and big words "moderated format" - "serious discussion",
shovel it higher and no one can see over it.
Given other facts, not to be believed.
More importantly, MIRANET controls the questions, they the out come - a group that claims to represent
grass roots Democracy cuts out the right of the public to ask its questions and candidates to fully involved - can you say fascism or McCallion-ism.
Further more, can bet will not see the questions before hand and as they are canned we should.
To judge if they are fair and be fully ready.
If they were asked by public, on the spot, that would be different.
It also means the questions could be slipped to Hazel before hand - trust them or her - are you crazy?
From: "Dorothy Tomiuk \(MIRANET\)" <MIRANET@miranet.ca> Dear Mayoral Candidates: Sincerely, Dorothy Dorothy Tomiuk |
[16] - CENSORSHIP IS PLANNED!
!!! Recorded - live !!!
Thought it bad enough MIRANET has to control the questions - well they want direct control over answers and anything else candidates say and you can bet there be lawyers lined up to defend any done.
Yes can it what it is - no way to say anything thought provoking about Hazel lawyer say NO!
Voters are not to have reason to question or think!!!
[17] - Very odd they can have so many details worked out and not have the venue set.
[18] - Back into the words to fool you into trusting - no way.
"citizen-driven"? No word about any one from the public being there at all and
if they are have to sit on their hands, be quiet, like good Canadians!
Only a Team McCallion would find this acceptable in the bid to end disagreement with the Mayor.
[19] - Big Lie coming out - they have already said the Mayor was involved in selecting the date.
Just ram the rules down candidates throats, no rules or input till too late to anything about it
- clearly you are not concerned about any candidate but Hazel.
"will be citizen-driven," and the candidates are not citizens?
[20] - How this love-in & suck-up to Hazel depends on who shows up - what could be clearer.
[21] - Back to the BS and no details that will allow candidates to get ready.
For you to understand what I mean, look at how responsible and professional a Ratepayers group can be,
The Churchill Meadows Residents Association.
They supplied every detail in writing well in advance - they cared.
Again, where are details like how much time will there be so we can get ready?
[22] - Totally favours the Mayor, the shorter candidates get to speak the better for her.
"We expect", means could be changed to less.
Not told how brief so we can't be ready.
Control, Control and more Control - till it kills the Democratic spirit.
Go into greater details as to why below.
[23] - Now we see Rogers being in part blamed for the planning of the forum and how it is run
- given how its manager flipped the bird at the judge at the Mississauga Inquiry,
we can be sure he will do the same Mississaugans Democracy.
[24] - Here it is - public is not welcome to participate directly, those who claim to be represent them on all things will look after that.
This not a election process, this is a business process - just what Hazel loves.
Send in the brown noses.
Again, lots of the right words BUT I would like to see just how these so-called representatives got where they are,
who they are and just how many in the community voted them where they are & with what mandate.
I think it is far removed from where we now find ourselves.
[25] - Just keeps getting more dictatorial, do these people even read what they write, can't they see how far out there they are?
All the Ratepayer debate I have been to, all candidates are allowed the chance to answer and encouraged to, now the reverse - why?
For Hazel.
I know how it is done - here is a question just these candidates.
Only be to certain candidates and the rest will be left out in the cold and that could be for most of time,
left to just sit, smile and be happy for the right of just being there like a good little child.
[26] - Not everyone can or will use the Internet to check answers not given - unacceptable to split up things like this.
Posting answers on Internet is not a reasonable substitution for a live debate.
I have been to serious debates and by God every candidate was allowed to answer is they cared to.
AGAIN this is for the Mayor's and her Team Hazel BENEFITS not Democracy!!!
[27] - Who is on this committee?
How can we have questions when you are not giving us details?
MIRANET must think we are children who don't know how the game political games are played or care.
I send E-mails and get nothing back - they want to run the clock out - works for Hazel.
[28] - Candidates - hurry up and wait!
Candidates get whatever MIRANET cares to give, when it cares - we need time to think things out and see the devil in the details.
A TV debate in the 6th., largest City in Canada should be treated like some small town A.V. Club broadcast.
The outcome matters!
All in All,
I am left with the feeling that to agree to participate under the terms being presented is like an
attack on the very Democratic Rights and tradition we send out troops to fight and die for.
This tastes like supporting the Talban and ignoring the sacrifice made by Canadian troops in the name of Democracy
for so many years, in so many wars.
To: "Dorothy Tomiuk \(MIRANET\)" <MIRANET@miranet.ca> There is no reference to how long people will have to talk or to answer questions - this SMELLS right from the very beginning and don't try feeding me that citizen-driven garbage. I know the City makes sure there are City friendly people in Ratepayers groups as that is one way the City keeps a lid on things and would not deal with my Ratepayers group - which MIRANET has failed to contact - Cawthra Ratepayers and Residents Assocation. " not consulting any candidate in this regard" - just ran it down out throats and because you are MIRANET it has to be right!!! I know this game - no rules or input till too late to anything about it - clearly you are not concerned about any candidate but Hazel. "will be citizen-driven," and the candidates are not citizens? Now it can be seen why there are so many candidates or Team McCallion supporters running for Mayor - to support this kind of pro-Mayor set-up. Will candidates be able to make their own video recording? How many other supporters can we have with us? How many people from the general public will be there or will it just be people who MIRANET wants there. "Any queries received from the candidates regarding the Forum will be considered by the Committee" - who is on this committee? How can we have questions when you are not giving us details - you think we are children who don't know how the game political games are played? Not everyone can or will use the Internet to check answers not given - unacceptable to split up things like this. I have been to serious debates and by God every candidate was allowed to answer is they cared to. |
And other questions exist.
Will candidates be able to make their own video recording?
How many other supporters can we have with us and watching?
How many people from the general public will be there or will it just be people who MIRANET wants there?
Will there be debates for Councillors candidates?
To: "Dorothy Tomiuk \(MIRANET\)" <MIRANET@miranet.ca> |
The RULES by
MIRANET
&
the release form by Rogers.
The planned TV debate,
that suddenly appeared after candidates called the Mayor out on that point and her lack of a platform,
has turned into an exercise in fascist control that spells giving the advantage to Team McCallion.
In this sad report on how far we have strayed from Democratic values that so many fought for
and often died for, candidates are being asked to sign documents that will not allow them
Their Charter of Rights and Freedoms when campaigning for elected office!
To be sure some will sigh and that will speak volume about what kind of human beings they are.
See for yourself that these together allows them to control the political debate so completely
any effort to take Hazel McCallion to task will be get you thrown or and edited out!
We send Canadian troops to die for this?
Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC)
Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (CBSC)
&
Rogers Communications Inc.
(45 pages long!)
When it becomes clear MIRANET was going to ram a set of rules down candidates throat
and not care about hard fought for Canadian Democratic traditions, the only reasonable thing left to do was to present the facts to the only people who could, maybe help Mississaugans in their hour of need.
How far will MIRANET go?
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